What is the true date of the birth of Jesus the Christ?

[Negus Amlak]

Love in the House Rastafari,
The reasoning of what is the true date of the birth of Jesus as a historical personage, it seems that many Imples are really not sure. So as to strengthen the reasoning of I&I,...in the said fullness of overstanding..Therefore within all imility, I am asking ones and ones who knows the True date of the birth of Jesus to share this knowledge among I&I. And within that said fullness be pleased to forward supporting evidence and source references, as this is an important matter, it should not be in the realm of "he say-she say" for that is heresay. And as Jesus is a historical personage, the truth surrounding him is bound to met with physical evidence. Love in the house. Rastafari live and reign. One Love to the Family

[Sunchild]

To answer your question simply, there is NO DATE FOR THE HISTORICAL JESUS CHRIST, because there is no one in history that matches that name(which is a title) and can be attributed to the personality or character that we get from the Gospels of the New Testament. We must be wise and GET OVER the fallacies and the brainwashing. JESUS CHRIST is only real to white caucasions who undoubtley do not know the collective truth of the mytho's and have constructed a fake messiah and religion for the means of control and 'dumbing down the populations'. 'JESUS CHRIST" as we know of from the New Testament, the Koran, Islam and Christianity was probably a combination of REAL people living in the times of 150 B.C.E to 50 C.E.
Reference
Egyptologist Gerald Massey considered ben-Pandera to have been a real individual who existed in the second century BCE, and upon whom the stories of Jesus were based. He states

The personal existence of Jesus as Jehoshua Ben-Pandira can be established beyond a doubt. One account affirms that, according to a genuine Jewish tradition 'that man (who is not to be named) was a disciple of Jehoshua Ben-Perachia.' It also says, 'He was born in the fourth year of the reign of the Jewish King Alexander Jannæus, notwithstanding the assertions of his followers that he was born in the reign of Herod.' That would be more than a century earlier than the date of birth assigned to the Jesus of the Gospels! But it can be further shown that Jehoshua Ben-Pandira may have been born considerably earlier even than the year 102 BC, although the point is not of much consequence here. Jehoshua, son of Perachia, was a president of the Sanhedrin — the fifth, reckoning from Ezra as the first: one of those who in the line of descent received and transmitted the oral law, as it was said, direct from Sinai. There could not be two of that name. This Ben-Perachia had begun to teach as a Rabbi in the year 154 BC. We may therefore reckon that he was not born later than 180-170 BC, and that it could hardly be later than 100 BC when he went down into Egypt with his pupil. For it is related that he fled there in consequence of a persecution of the Rabbis, feasibly conjectured to refer to the civil war in which the Pharisees revolted against King Alexander Jannæus, and consequently about 105 BC If we put the age of his pupil, Jehoshua Ben-Pandira, at fifteen years, that will give us an approximate date, extracted without pressure, which shows that Jehoshua Ben-Pandira may have been born about the year 120 BC.[17]

It is very ignorant to ask such questions about a ficticious chacter such as 'JESUS CHRIST'. If you do not know that the life of "JESUS CHRIST' is Horus, or Mithra, or Tammuz, or Quetzocotal, or Dionoysis, or Ausar, who are all the Personification of the Sun traveling through the 12 zodiacs as a carnalised representation of the Precession of the Equinox then you have much higher learning to do and need to understand that THE RABBIT WHOLE IS VERY DEEP. There is much data and studies done on this and it should not be hard to find them, here are some writhers who have done much research of this....
REFERENCE

Gerald Massey The historical Jesus and the Mythical Christ
Malik H. Jabbar The Astrological foundation of the Christ myth
Ray Higgins African Verdict
John E. Remsberg The Christ A Critical Reviewand Analysis ofthe Evidenceof His Existence
Jim Walker Did a historical Jesus exist
T.W. Doane APPENDIX D of the 1882 book "Bible Myths and their Parallels in Other Religions"
Lee Salisbury HISTORY’S TROUBLING SILENCE ABOUT JESUS

It all starts with knowledge of self. the point or suggestion that one individual is closer to the creator then someone else is ridiculous, stupid, naive and very ignorant. The ancients and modern physics both explain and theorize that we are all part of a larger whole that is dependant on eachother. But for those who need to follow and not think for themselves and USE THERE CRITICAL ANALYTICAL ANALYSIS RATIONALY then I will continue to show and share the light.

Here is some more goodies to help you research the truth and to confront the audacity of claiming a "JESUS CHRIST' existed.

They Should Have Noticed

John E. Remsburg, in his classic book The Christ: A Critical Review and Analysis of the Evidence of His Existence (The Truth Seeker Company, NY, no date, pp. 24-25), lists the following writers who lived during the time, or within a century after the time, that Jesus is supposed to have lived:
Josephus
Philo-Judæus
Seneca
Pliny Elder
Arrian
Petronius
Dion Pruseus
Paterculus
Suetonius
Juvenal
Martial
Persius
Plutarch
Pliny Younger
Tacitus
Justus of Tiberius
Apollonius
Quintilian
Lucanus
Epictetus
Hermogones
Statius
Ptolemy
Appian
Phlegon
Phædrus
Valerius Maximus
Lucian
Pausanias
Florus Lucius
Quintius Curtius
Aulus Gellius
Dio Chrysostom
Columella
Valerius Flaccus
Damis
Favorinus
Lysias
Pomponius Mela
Appion of Alexandria
Theon of Smyrna
According to Remsburg, "Enough of the writings of the authors named in the foregoing list remains to form a library. Yet in this mass of Jewish and Pagan literature, aside from two forged passages in the works of a Jewish author, and two disputed passages in the works of Roman writers, there is to be found no mention of Jesus Christ." Nor, we may add, do any of these authors make note of the Disciples or Apostles - increasing the embarrassment from the silence of history concerning the foundation of Christianity.


that should be enough right now. If you want to know more bout the history of Christianity and the First Seven Ecumenical Councils (325-787) that impacted what we know as Chrisitanity let me know. It is a great story for all researchers learning Theology, for the workings and methods of Eusebsius and Poggio Bracciolini plagarizing such writings as Josephus(jewish historian) passage and Tacitus(roman historian) annals will tell the story of the true history and the lying european founders..... Get at me
hotep.

Sun Child.

[Negus Amlak]

Hotep MAAT Sun Child....
I give thanks for the information, It i hope that for the benefit and iritical growth of ones and ones within RAstafari who claim to hold on to this same Jesus, just to take a moment and consider the fullness of the reality of truth and right as it relate to this same Jesus. Many of who have not examined, research and or checked out what and where their so-called belief system originated, and just assumed that this is a real person, never considering the truth that it cannot be supported by facts and evidence, and they want to believe "what cannot be proven and disbelive what can be proven", in i view this is cogniscent dis-association, like a form of mental illness.
When i raise this reasoning with ones and ones prior to this post, none who so-called believe could not present one tangible piece of evidence to support their so-called claims and superstitions, and refutiated any form of information, facts and evidence that was outside of euro-paradiam.
So i give thanks to know that there at least someones in this site who know the truth of this ficticious character named jesus , know that when i&I say that this person never existed, this is not just some emotional reactionary-ism.....
This is the primary reason why there is so much controversy surrounding the birth date of Jesus, is because he never existed at all. Thanks for the info...also any information on how the Image of Serapis Soter became the image of the Jesus, would much appreci-loved.
Hotep MAAT
RAstafari

[Negus Amlak]

iLah Bless Sister I AM,
I&I heartically give thanks for the I reasoning, Rastafari. I&I would still reason on a few burning issues that the I has raised with regards to the question that I&I lifted up at the start of this reasoning, this reasoning is presented in a manner to eliminate sentiments, emotions,feelings, and opinions on this matter. This is being presented soley in a scholastic, researchical, non-partial evidenciary manner, which is the intention if I&i are to know the truth, I&I must go beyond mere passion and assumption with regard to this topic of reasoning, as was outlined in the introductory stage of this reasoning.
Since the I dont seem to know the date, as the question was posed...I will ask the following
1. Please provide the speech and or speeches, in their entirety, that the I are referring to.and not just a sound bite, so that we may examine the content.
2. Please clarify the statement: "His majesty has knowledge of all things"- How do you know this and what is the evidence of this view?
3. What does the I mean about aprici-loving the differences within Rastafari? What are they if any?
4. When The i say ones are getting away from the teaching of I&I fadda. What are the teachings? and what is the evidence of ones going away from it?
5. What does Maskal have to do with the Rastafari Culture Livity in its original iception, as this was not even known of by the Rastafari Imples until the mid 80's. Christmas was bun out long time ago, I&I always did sight July 23, and have always honored and upheld that Ises. The January 7th was not part of the Rastafari Theocracy in its iception.
6. It is expected that the Thier Imperial Majesties would set a good example and follow and honor the traditions of their people, that they were raised with, nothing unusual about that, its called culture. Yet Their Imperial Majesties, never advocated anyone to be converted to Christianity, especially since I am sure that the I knows that HIM promote religious tolerance amonst man.
7.As far as the cave that the I mentioned, this is up to speculation, just like adam's tomb which is another site in Ethiopia that I have visited.The people in the area as well as ethiopain historians and clergy refer to as stories and legends and cannot present any physical evidence outside of oral traditions, that go basically unchalleged and accepted as part and parcell of the cultural historisity.
My Sister, please do not take this answer or reply as one that is being disraspectful to the I views on this matter, as i have not tried to be so. Its just that we as a people have become, so prone to superstition and heresay that we tend to undervalue actual physical evidence and proof to support our reasoning.Rastafari One LOVe and maximum Raspect to the I sister IAM

[Perfect Balance]

The "real" yeshua is within you, as historically this person does not exist, no we cant disregard the true christ as it is our highest potential, but the carnal christ is a brainwash tool that has to go. Bless family!!!!!!!!!!

[Perfect Balance]

Sunchild!!!!! Big up mi bruddah, this is what I am talking about, so many I's want to reason outside of actual facts, but I and I deal with knowledge, that which is verifiable and true! I hope the I dem will take the time to not only read this post but to research, seek find and discover for self what is real, LOVE!!!!!!

[Negus Amlak]

Ilah Bless, Peace and Love Rastafari,
Bro Dominique Fiyah, Thanks for the I reasoning, full raspect in the highest... the i sight?.
Yes I, the question still remains the same. As the I reason of Jesus in a manner that co-insides with the view of Jesus (Yahshhua Hamashiah) as being an actual historical person, perhaps the I can reason I&I the fullness surrounding the date of his birth as this is the original reasoning that istablished this point of reasoning. Within that said integrity, It is not the faith and religious practices of Their Imperial Majesties that is the focal point of the reasoning. The point is the Jesus of two thousand years ago, and what is the true birth date is the burning issue. Who knows what research HIM has done on this topic?.....What is known generally by many is that HIM revealed very early in His youth, that He was very proficient in many of the ancient knowledge, text, and many of the ancient, books on various mystical ethiopian magic and secret reasonings HIM as a youth could recite them with a indept knowledge and overstanding that amazed many of the elders, priest, seers and prophets of that time, because much of this was hidden knowledge, scriptures and mystical books were hidden from the average ethiopian person.
Many ones and ones, as it relates to the Jesus, have NEVER DONE ANY RESEARCH , ON THEIR OWN to examine anything of them selves, most ones just go along with what is handed down to them without ever questioning or researching the origin of it. So when a scholarly or researchical question is raised, ones and ones tendency is not to reply or answer within the same integrity as the question is raised. We usually give a passionate reactionary answer, before we are honest and just simply say, "You know,.... I never researched that before, or even I dont know." "i will check it out and get back to you". This is not about what HIM knows,.....this question is about what I&I his children know? and how do I&I know it.
This is not to take anything away from the i reasoning, sight?...Yes I, much of what the I said, its true I&I agree, as it relate to Their Imperial Majesties rightfull livity and iLah works.....as having many parralles and similaries, to what is portrayed typically as christianity and the dignity of the Ancient of days, still also remember Imajesty never told anyone to convert. Just as the one Jesus is portrayed as telling his deciples to pray to "Our Father" and not jesus, same way Imajesty encourage ones aknowled the father sameway. Deny himself, and praise the father, this has been HIM Isample to the nations.
Blessed Love, Dominique Fiyah, Love to the I an family a yard.....Rastafari
note: Bredrin, the Nyabinghi is having a global reasoning at Scotts Pass in July starting the 24th, perhaps the I can linkup and strenthen the Icasssion, like how the I is in JA. Haile I...

[Negus Amlak]

Blessed ites Bredren,
I&I give thanks and Overs the I reasoning, Rastafari........Very positive, iLah Salute Bredrin
Rastafari intinue to guide and itect.......Haile I.......

[Sunchild]

Yes Greetings Negus Amlak,
Hope all is well with you. Big up to you for the question; how the Image of Serapis Soter became the image of the Jesus,
This is a very good question. I'm going to give you an excert from one of my research papers I have assembled.
Ptomely Soter(305-282 BCE) is the key, he was the first Ptomely(Greek Pharoah) and transfered the tradition/religion of Ausar to that of Serapis....................
The Ptolemies were powerful supporters of the native Egyptian religious foundations, the economic and political power of which was, however, carefully controlled. A great deal of the building and restoration work in many of the most important Egyptian temples is Ptolemaic, particularly from the period of about 150-50 B.CE., and the monarchs appear on temple reliefs in the traditional forms of the Egyptian kings. The native traditions persisted in village temples and local cults, many having particular associations with species of sacred animals or birds. At the same time, the Greeks created their own identifications of Egyptian deities, identifying Amon with Zeus, Horus with Apollo, Ptah with Hephaestus, and so on. They also gave some deities, such as Isis, a more universal significance that ultimately resulted in the spread of her mystery cult throughout the Mediterranean world.


The impact of the Greeks is most obvious in two phenomena:
• One is the formalized royal cult of Alexander and the Ptolemies, which evidently served both a political and a religious purpose
• The other is the creation of the cult of Sarapis, which at first was confined to Alexandria but soon became universal. The god was represented as a Hellenized deity and the form of cult is Greek; but its essence is the old Egyptian notion that the sacred Apis bull merged its divinity in some way with the god Osiris when it died.
The name Serapis was formed by combining Osiris with Apis, the bull; and this god was the Hellenized version of his Egyptian prototype, The worship of Serapis came into wide vogue after the conquests of Alexander, first in Egypt and then throughout the Graeco Roman world; although he certainly retained some of the characteristics of the ancient Osiris as well as some congenital relationship with Isis, his cult seems to have become independent in the third century B.C.E
The chief center of the worship of Serapis in Ptolemaic times was Alexandria, where it was established, according to tradition, by Ptolemy Soter
It appears to have been to the interest of all parties to welcome Serapis, and all must admire the astute action of Ptolemy, who succeeded in making the Greeks think that in worshipping this god they were adoring one of their own native deities, and who persuaded the Egyptians that they were maintaining the supremacy of Osiris-Apis in spite of the fact that the Macedonians were the rulers and masters of the country


I hope that helps
HOTEP.
Also there is a good documentary out there by RAY HIGGINS named the NICEAN COUNCIL, where he talks about Ptomely Soter, try to find it, if not send me a note, with your email address and we can communicate on how you can get one through me. I can mail any one a copy.
peace.

[Negus Amlak]

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Thanks for the positive ites bredrin, yes i, I have known Bro Ray for several years now, he is doing wonderful work, he has been sort of a mentor for I&I as I can Identify with his experience as being very similar to I, in that I also went to semminary and theological college, with the objective of the priesthood, only to uncover the half that has never been told, and now is on a journey of repairing the breach so to speak...
It is also quite interesting to note that the first time the name CHRISTIAN was used outside of the actual KRS was attributed to the followers and devotees of(Ptolomy Soter) Serapis Soter, who as the I outlined had origins outside of NTR or anti-NTR. So for all estensive purposes the name CHRISTIAN has not been applied to the so-called jesus, because he wasnt invented yet. This name was soley applied to the worshippers of serapis and not the so-called jesus. Among the major opponents to this false god and new doctrine was Arius, who his detractors called a heretic and many pictures show Arius being beat up by saint Nicholas (santa clause) for objecting to the new doctrine in favor of the ancient truth. So the new doctrine came in and the new god became Constantine himself......
Also, I have a copy of the lecture, Did the I see his lecture; "The Epitimous Identity of the Jews"?....this is another fine lecture among the great work Bro Ray and the brothers and sisters are doing at the African Village...
Thanks for the upful reasoning...
Rastafari
HOTEP

[Zebulun]

The Truth and The Light.

It is Our conviction that all the activities of men which are not guided by the Spirit and councel of GOD will bear no lasting fruit, they will not be acceptabel in the sight of the Lord and will therefore come to nought.

It is for this reason that th Church of Christ, and especially Christian leaders, have such an enomous responsibility.
However wise or however mighty a person may be, he is like a ship without a rudder if he is without GOD. A rudderless ship is at the mercy of the waves and the wind, drifts wherever they take it and if there arises a whirlwind it is smashed against the rocks and becomes as if it has never existed. It is our firm belief that a soul without Christ is bound to meet with no better fate.

Therefore O! Christians let us arise and, with the spiritual zeal and carnestness which characterized the Apostles and early Christians, let us labour to lead our brotehrs and sisters to Our Saviour Jesus, Who can only give life in its fullest sense.
HIM Emperor Haile Selassie 1st Oct. 28, 1966

[Negus Amlak]

Ises, Bro Zebulan,
Thanks for the sound bite of HIM speech, very positive. Yes I, just a few points in relation to the said sound bite;....This speech specifically was directed to the Orthodox leaders that HIM had invited to Addis Ababa, to the conference of the Oriental Orthodox Churches in Jan 1966. Many ones use excerpts or soundbites of HIM Speeches to help to illustrate their point of reasoning, one of the dangers with that is that, HIM words can be taken out of context when done in this manner. In order for a one to fully overs Imajesty reasoning, a one must review HIM words in entirety, to clearly ivers the WHO HIM is speaking to and WHAT is the nature of the occasion that the speech was delivered, so that it can be overs in its proper context. So for all extensive purposes, HIM was speaking to and for the Othodoxy, with the audience being predominately Christians not jews, muslim, or traditional ethiopian cultures or Even the Rastafari Imples....
HIM also has speeches that He directly speaks to the Rastafari imples, many ones who claim Rastafari seem never to refer to the reasoning that HIM has irectly to the Rastafari Idrens. Speaking to and for the Rastafari Imples, these reasoning seem to not get much highlight, yet the reasoning to I&I Rastafari is very clear from the lips of I&I king, perhaps the I need to study it in dept.
Yes I bredrin Zebulun, this thread of reasoning is not an expose' of HIM being the defender of Faith, a title that was bestowed on HIM at the close ot the same conference mentioned above. As I say none can speak on what HIM knows they can only speak on what they of themselves know. So mi idren i will ask the I the same question? What is the true date of the birth of Jesus Christ?, I am of the view that the I wont find that answer by searching the speeches of HIM, as this question in more in light with biblical archealogy and a reasearchical ites, I&I look forward to the I reply. According to bible "Faith is the evidence of things unseen and substance of things hoped for..." so faith has nothing to to with FACTS thinking and knowledge, but every thing to do with, misinformation, suerstititon, fear, and doctrine.....
Peace and Love Rastafari

[Rhedda J MMS health practitioner]

"HIM also has speeches that He directly speaks to the Rastafari imples"
I am well interested to read/hear these speeches, their times and dates as well, addressed to Rastafari. Give thanks

"....So for all extensive purposes, HIM was speaking to and for the Othodoxy, with the audience being predominately Christians not jews, muslim, or traditional ethiopian cultures or Even the Rastafari Imples...."

with all due respect Negus, the fact that he was reasoning to the orthodoxy does NOT inhibit or direct the scope or context or the message to any one group. Yes, it is right to look at all aspects of a reasoning for optimal clarity of context and intent; the aforementioned excerpt is exceptional in this regard as HIM is indeed speaking to the Orthodoxy, yet makes three critical universal appointments:

1) "...It is Our conviction that all the activities of men which are not guided by the Spirit and councel of GOD will bear no lasting fruit, they will not be acceptabel in the sight of the Lord and will therefore come to nought."

who is the subject of this declaration? "Men", not Orthodox men

2)"However wise or however mighty a person may be, he is like a ship without a rudder if he is without GOD. A rudderless ship is at the mercy of the waves and the wind, drifts wherever they take it and if there arises a whirlwind it is smashed against the rocks and becomes as if it has never existed..."

who is the subject of this declaration? "A person", not an Orthodox person

3)"It is our firm belief that a soul without Christ is bound to meet with no better fate."

who is the subject of this declaration? "A soul", not an Orthodox soul

give thanks