ARE MEN DESIGNED TO BE WITH ONLY ONE WOMAN ONLY ????????????
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I and King man was having a serious, deep rooted conversation, about some things that we as PEOPLE or HUMAN BEINGS, have within us. These special characteristics that have been dimmed, are important for us to reach our FULL, Spiritual potential. Our REAL, DEEP ROOTED, SPIRITUAL, Queenly and Kingly selves, but because of things that we have been tricked into or has become the norm to us, keeps us back from attaining these Queenly and Kingly characteristics. Please be open to what I am about to say, for this is some STRONG stuff , that may not be suitable to the "NORM WAY OF THINKING". If you are willing to put aside the norm way of thinking and not criticize, but rather open your mind, I mean really really think and analyze what is being said, and it is only then would you get the essence of what I am saying.
I really wonder, to attain these REAL, DEEP ROOTED, Kingly and Queenly characteristics, would we have to give up the handed- down, norm way of thinking?
Most women are of the jealous type. We see our Kingman speaking with a female, not someone that we go to ises with (a Rasta sistren). We see them laughing and maybe it even seem flirtatious. Do we as females automatically get on the offensive (get jealous)? Do we all "sin"? ( I am talking about coveting and envying, for it is a "sin")
We are all Kings and Queens, Gods and Goddesses, but we take this at face value not really thinking about what it is we have to attain or reach to gain the title of such. We as Kings and Queens should be able to get in touch with our inner selves , Our intellectual self, the Warioress/warrior self, the sensual self, the humorous self, the healing self, and every thing that is suppose to help us to reach our spiritual, Kingly and Queenly selves.
There is a saying “money is the root of all evil”, but I feel jealousy is the root of all evil also. It is because of this word jealousy, that some relationships have been destroyed. Because of this word the cemeteries, prisons, hospitals, and streets are full of people who are the products of jealousy. Are men designed to be with one woman only? Or is it because of what we have been handed done, saying this is how it is suppose to be. We turn on the TV, we see a man committing himself (marrying) to ONE woman, we open the magazines and read about it, its all around us, so of course it would seem to us that this is how its supposed to be. Men have gone through so much in order to commit to one woman, he has fought the true lion within to say he is committing to one woman. I am not talking about men going out and have flings and things of that sort, I am talking about having more than one woman, more than one woman that he can call his own.
If a man is to have more than one woman (wife), not the systematic, wife husband marriage that is setup for us. Wouldn’t it be easier for those in the relationship? For example when a female is going through her purification process, she doesn’t cook ,wash clothes, or do certain things that she would do when she is not in the purification process, that is where the sista wife comes in and cook for the family and do things the other wife wouldn’t be able to do. We would be of assistance one to another. The Kingman is out on the grind providing for the family, sista wife comes home from work, has youths of her own and is tired, she would be able to call upon the other sista wife to help her with the youths. It would make it easier on everybody. We would of course have our own houses and everything .
Because of jealousy and fear of what people would say is it the reason women don’t and wouldn’t approve of this. Where does jealousy come from?
How do you feel about ALL of this?
It doesn't matter if you read this 3 months from now, still reply. I want to know how you feel, what you don't and what you do agree with and why. If and when you decide to reply think about what I said first, try to reach deep within yourself and tell me how you feel,think about it from your point of view and also from the oppostie sex also.
I also posted this same reasoning under reasoning (rasta), it has more answers and reasonings on this topic.
I really wonder, to attain these REAL, DEEP ROOTED, Kingly and Queenly characteristics, would we have to give up the handed- down, norm way of thinking?
Most women are of the jealous type. We see our Kingman speaking with a female, not someone that we go to ises with (a Rasta sistren). We see them laughing and maybe it even seem flirtatious. Do we as females automatically get on the offensive (get jealous)? Do we all "sin"? ( I am talking about coveting and envying, for it is a "sin")
We are all Kings and Queens, Gods and Goddesses, but we take this at face value not really thinking about what it is we have to attain or reach to gain the title of such. We as Kings and Queens should be able to get in touch with our inner selves , Our intellectual self, the Warioress/warrior self, the sensual self, the humorous self, the healing self, and every thing that is suppose to help us to reach our spiritual, Kingly and Queenly selves.
There is a saying “money is the root of all evil”, but I feel jealousy is the root of all evil also. It is because of this word jealousy, that some relationships have been destroyed. Because of this word the cemeteries, prisons, hospitals, and streets are full of people who are the products of jealousy. Are men designed to be with one woman only? Or is it because of what we have been handed done, saying this is how it is suppose to be. We turn on the TV, we see a man committing himself (marrying) to ONE woman, we open the magazines and read about it, its all around us, so of course it would seem to us that this is how its supposed to be. Men have gone through so much in order to commit to one woman, he has fought the true lion within to say he is committing to one woman. I am not talking about men going out and have flings and things of that sort, I am talking about having more than one woman, more than one woman that he can call his own.
If a man is to have more than one woman (wife), not the systematic, wife husband marriage that is setup for us. Wouldn’t it be easier for those in the relationship? For example when a female is going through her purification process, she doesn’t cook ,wash clothes, or do certain things that she would do when she is not in the purification process, that is where the sista wife comes in and cook for the family and do things the other wife wouldn’t be able to do. We would be of assistance one to another. The Kingman is out on the grind providing for the family, sista wife comes home from work, has youths of her own and is tired, she would be able to call upon the other sista wife to help her with the youths. It would make it easier on everybody. We would of course have our own houses and everything .
Because of jealousy and fear of what people would say is it the reason women don’t and wouldn’t approve of this. Where does jealousy come from?
How do you feel about ALL of this?
It doesn't matter if you read this 3 months from now, still reply. I want to know how you feel, what you don't and what you do agree with and why. If and when you decide to reply think about what I said first, try to reach deep within yourself and tell me how you feel,think about it from your point of view and also from the oppostie sex also.
I also posted this same reasoning under reasoning (rasta), it has more answers and reasonings on this topic.
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Permalink Reply by MamaUshanga on -
Blessings Jah Royal.
I completely overstand what you are talking about. I and Kingman had the same exact discussion a few months ago and came to that conclusion. In my kikuyu culture, my grandfather had two wives. And so did his brothers, and most of the men in his family, and those before them. The mentality that most of the sistas nowadays of one man one wife is from what we have been told its supposed to be or how it should be. But we know as Africans, our fore-fathers mostly had more than one wife. And it was done wit the utmost respect where the 1st wife most of the times helped pick the other wives for her husband. It worked out well because if a sista could not have children or as you said, was ill or going through her purificaion process, she would receive assistance from the others to take care of the household and the youth. It would be to everyones benefit and it would make things easier around the place.
I think that the difference between the jelousy issue and what we're both describing is in the approach. Ofcourse when its done behind the sistas back, with lies and deceit, then that would bring alot of difficulties in the relationship but if its done with respect, and the Kingman does not sneak around, then yes, it can work. With different households. And that would actually be a very solid family as long as love and not jelousy is between the two wives.
Now, heres how bad we have been "convinced" that a man should only have one woman. I and Kingman were with a group of friends and that discussion came up. I and Kingman argued on the basis of our culture and how our forefathers lived their lives, but EVERYONE else on the table, especially the ladies, were of the view that "I cant share my man with nobody" lol. One even, a man (suprisingly enough) went to the extent of asking us if we were swingers. Kingman immediately asked him if his grandfather was swinger because he had 2 wives. You would think that a man of all people would welcome this reasoning.lol.
I think most women just cannot imagine themselves sharing the man, but men weren't built that way, Its better for sistas to accept it and see if there are way the Queen and Kingman can decide on making the relationship work without causing breakups all over the place over issues that can be worked on. Just because you accept it doesn't mean that it has to happen. Quite the contrary, sometimes it reminds the man of what kind of Queen he has, and as long as he doesnt take advantage of her open heart and mind, then the mutual respect and love would remain solid. Give thanks for this reasoning.
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Permalink Reply by Jah Royal on -
Give thanks for the raspond. Yes I am talking about being strait up with one another, that we would all be in the know. No secrecy or nuthing.
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Permalink Reply by Jah Royal on
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In this relationship it would be based/built on truth and rights. There is no behind the back,sneaking around kinda vibes, truth and rights alone. He as the Kingman, as head of the house will tell the first sistren when they meet and is serious, what his belief system is on having another wife. The Kingman reasons with her and tell her what is up, and she accepts the fact that there would be another sista that would enter into the relationship.
This whole thing isn't just about sex it is to help one another, for when the Kingman is else where on the grind/working whateva it is that he as Kingman would have to do to provide for his households.
Read sista Irie Ras Child's Rasponse in reasoning (i think i also posted one under rasta). she explains it very well.
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Permalink Reply by Ras Irie Child on -
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Sis Jah Royal and InI,
Here's the rasponse from the other posting in "All Things Rasta". the link below will take you to it... also i added 3 articles relating in depth accounts and research on this topic from different viewpoints... for lack of space, i wont re-post them here... however they are definitely worth reading over and considering ;) Give Thanks.
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http://worldofjah.ning.com/forum/topics/are-men-designed-to-be-with...
Reply by Irie Ras Child 9 hours ago
well off the top... i think its the choice of those involved how many 'mates' are included in the family. all male animals in nature mate with more than one female of its species. why not human male? once people can get over the jealousy, then this arrangement is possible. but true, society and everywhere you look its 1 to 1 rather than 1 to 2, or 3, or 4, etc... and before polygamy is even concerned, they'd rather push homosexuality as a 2nd runner up lifestyle. yes it would make it easier on the 'tired/unclean' empress as the household is looked after. from man's standpoint, he knows if youths are involved that they will be with loving empress, regardless of which one may be actively taking care, as well as other aspects of home life. points i remember from previous discussions on this, and personal research, mentioned something about, expenses being lessened when there are more breadwinners in the home thus allowing for more prosperous lifestyle/surroundings, as opposed to 2 parents having to foot the bills, raise the youths, etc... i mean really, once jealousy can be viewed as a horrible divisive emotion, reaping sick, wilted, half-arse results then all will be much better, when sites to the overall picture and benefits are focused on... and people can get back to loving rather than grudging.
in order to move onto these kingly/queenly characters, of course previous thinking must be abated, left behind... we've forgotten our true beings and need more than just adjustment on this topic to return to the fullness of which you spoke... this i feel is an optional portion to "becoming" these royal beings... not all need apply...
how do u view this in regards getting back to our kingly/queenly characters? what did the i's discussion lead to, or was it just coming to realization that this lifestyle is not the norm due to jealousy and such? whats the i's take on it?
.peace.
http://worldofjah.ning.com/forum/topics/are-men-designed-to-be-with...
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Permalink Reply by Ras Cloud aka Butoyi on -
lie you a tell, swan and she-swan stay together for life!!!
just one exeption, but for real, your telling lie!!!
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Permalink Reply by Ras Irie Child on
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ok i didnt overs what part you were referring to... well just as some creations/animals have more than one mate, some as u stated may stick with one mate the whole time. so the same can apply to human mammal "animals", we may not be wild creatures/wild animals in a forest somewhere, but we are a species, just like animals/plants are species. all i was pointing out is that humans feel poly is so outlandish, when most of what we need to learn, we can learn from nature. therefore i pointed out what animals in nature do... and i mentioned it because when i heard that for the 1st time, it made sense and had never thought about it like that. so i was just giving a broad view of poly vs mono. and if nature never lies or is never wrong, then this is something that can be incorporated into us/our thought, because we are not so different from those animals on certain levels...
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Permalink Reply by Ras Cloud aka Butoyi on
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fear is not a good advisor!!!!
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Permalink Reply by Moonshadow Payne-Washington on -
Sister Empress I-dra Iyah,
Thanks for your words of wisdom. I agree with what you have said. My King, who has responded below (Alexander Kofi) is of more than one wife. So far, we really haven't been able to make it work. Mainly because of the women that have come to us (whining women with ulterior motives). He has tried to work it out with one of the mothers of some of his children, but she couldn't give us peace. She called all the time, whining and just not respectful of our time together. When he was with her, I respected their space. It was not easy as I was the wife and she wanted to come into the fold, mainly using the kids to get him away from me and with her. When that didn't work, she wouldn't let him see their kids and now he barely gets to talk to them or see them. It isn't all roses and beauty, that is for sure. When one woman wants attention, she will become needy and whiney, trying to get him to pay attention. I am not like that. I would rather be alone and I have little tolerance for that behavior. But it is just a big game for many women, to see if they can steal your man from you. I don't have kids with my King so I can't use that as an excuse, nor would I if I had them, but that is what I deal with in this configuration. I suppose men have a tendency to want to be with more than one woman, but they are fooling themselves if they don't realize woman have the same tendency, especially if she isn't getting the emotional, spiritual and physical attention that she needs. It is tough in these times to make something like this work, but I have to believe it is possible to find another sister who resonates enough to have true love for both the King and the Queen so as to be able to meld into the configuration without worry or feeling left out. Just so far we haven't experienced this. Not giving up hope though. If Jah wants us to have this, it will happen.
~Moonshadow~
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Permalink Reply by Dreadslocs on -
Greetings Sistren. Give Thanks fer nIs' wordsounds filled wi such depth an reason for nI ta have such a young earth-age... InI are goin ta ask I-man
Queen ta read dis reason even tho she has yet ta recognize an accept di Rasta
trod ta Zion!
One Perfect Love!
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Permalink Reply by blessedlove on -
Blessings Jah Royal. Give thanks for starting a reasoning on this subject. I had a relationship with a kingman who had another queen. When things ended I miss the empress asmuch as kingman( long story that is to personal to share in a open reasoning) THe empres and I were very close. I was just starting my trod in Rastafari and the sistern helped alot in I teachings. I helped her with her youth and household things, She helped i with i pregnancy. We did works together to help the livity of our strong ras family at the time. We became a family. It broke my heart when it all ended. I am not sure if i can do it again in the fact that i now have a youth from that kingman and dont want to get hurt again and my youthget hurt.(guess my heart hasn't healed all theway yet) I loved having that closness,raspect and strong family setting. A kingman if capable of taking care of his wives and youthand they can obtain an honest relationship between all then i think it can work.
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Permalink Reply by Nyah I Conscious on -
Blessed Love,
I fail to see how a King could satisfy his Queen, if he had to share that love with another.....
We were each created with a mate, a soul mate, "twin flame'...to think we need more than that is just carnal, to my way of thinking...
to say...it was done in times gone by and so it is good, does not make sense...I and I are into progression not regression...but then, if it works for yah...
honestly? too tricky, recipe for a messy relationship....
a woman wants to completely open her heart to one man and have him open to her...like a flower we bloom for each other...
I have been with I king for 19 yrs...am not the jealous type...have 7 youth with the one man...but boy am I glad he has not had roaming eyes and has been faithful...I love him more and more and I know he loves me more and more
love is unconditional, but I am yet to meet a family where polygamy actually works longterm and it emotionally satisfying for both parties...
I think it is ego trip on the mens part, thinking he can satisfy more than one woman, but maybe, if the women were expectionally enlightened and spiritually motivated, they may bwe able to share one man
after all , love should not be limited....
and how would one man be able to provide for such a large family?
if they were all prolific breeders like me, that could be a family of over twenty people
I knew of one man here, with 7 or 9 wives and he had about 69 children
lucky for welfare in this country or many would have starved or been forced into begging or prostitution at a young age....as they had no property to work...some of the sons ended up with severe mental problems and the daughters teen pregnancy, I mean 14 yr old pregnant due to parental neglect coz, how can one man care for that many children???????
maybe if the women were twins or best friends and small breeders, but I think it would be the exceptional family that could make it work...
In the case of babymama's I think it would be good if women could get over the jealousy tho, as jealousy is born of insecurity and if a man truly loves two wombmen, he should buck the system and try make it work...it is better to keep a family together for the benefit of the youth, than to be selfish and ego-tripical and split up.....step and "half" siblings will love each other just as much as full biological sibs...
thats I take on the issue...
Bless up
Iloved family
Nyah I
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Permalink Reply by JennIration on -
* Ahhh * Quite a tricky/controversial issue * One man for many women? * How about one woman for many men? * Who knows? *
* InI prefer one king * But if di king feel that he need more women, why not allow his so-called queen to enlighten herself with many men, if she feels the need? * Carnal thinking is of di Babylon way, to me * So ya say that Babylon and da media make us believe that it is right to be with one person, eh? * What ya think about Babylon making us think that it is ok to have many lovers? * It works both ways * How can you wholly love a Queen when ya mind is obstructed wit many other women? * What about how di women feel? * We are sensitive creatures who, I believe, truely do not want to share our King * We would like to think that in this carnal Babylonian society, our King can have strong mind and resist the fleshy temtations * InI have dealt wit unfaithful, lustful men much of I life * I find comfort knowing/thinking that I King has a mind strong enough to say "no" * What are women? * Just skin? * Something pretty to look at? * Dat is Babylon way to think * Why not strengthen ya mind and nah give in to dat kinda mix up? *
There is so much more things in this world to deal wit than satisfying di carnal mind when Babylon tempt ya wit visual stimulation * Visual stimulation leading to entrapment...* What about chanting Nyabinghi and giving thanks fi what is good in dis life? * Blessing to ya! *
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